Comments on: The Pac-10 Commissioner is Retiring. Let’s Handicap Expansion Options! http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/ Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow | Opinions on Seattle Sports That Nobody Asked For Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:53:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Constable Echelon http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15559 Constable Echelon Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:13:24 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15559 I guess Connecticut has proven you can create a football team out of thin air at a national basketball school. I suppose my argument is more "it will never happen" than "it wouldn't be a good thing". Though I don't think it would be a good thing, I just think it would never happen more. If that makes sense. I guess Connecticut has proven you can create a football team out of thin air at a national basketball school. I suppose my argument is more “it will never happen” than “it wouldn’t be a good thing”.

Though I don’t think it would be a good thing, I just think it would never happen more. If that makes sense.

]]> By: BMalo http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15555 BMalo Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:59:26 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15555 Response to echelon, who I do not know, but do respect: 1) Am I serious? I don't know. USD is a stretch, but GU could be the best option with a little commitment to the addition. 2) USD's arena is barely smaller than GUs. It is new, high quality, and from my architectural opinion, could easily be expanded to Rupp size. For GU, more important than the attendance factor is the national exposure factor. How many PAC schools are on national TV more than the Zags? My guess is 1) UCLA, 2) Arizona, 3) one other random PAC school with a great team or player that particular year (See USC, Mayo, O.J., Wanksta). And Football stadiums are easy to build or upgrade, just ask your bra Todd Turner. 3) I can understand your viewpoint with the big east and with expansion in general - just comes down to how one feels about the best size of a conference. Pluses and minuses both ways. 4) The fact that other Pac schools wouldn't want those teams in the conference is as good of an argument as any that those are the two best schools to pick. Response to echelon, who I do not know, but do respect:

1) Am I serious? I don’t know. USD is a stretch, but GU could be the best option with a little commitment to the addition.

2) USD’s arena is barely smaller than GUs. It is new, high quality, and from my architectural opinion, could easily be expanded to Rupp size. For GU, more important than the attendance factor is the national exposure factor. How many PAC schools are on national TV more than the Zags? My guess is 1) UCLA, 2) Arizona, 3) one other random PAC school with a great team or player that particular year (See USC, Mayo, O.J., Wanksta).

And Football stadiums are easy to build or upgrade, just ask your bra Todd Turner.

3) I can understand your viewpoint with the big east and with expansion in general – just comes down to how one feels about the best size of a conference. Pluses and minuses both ways.

4) The fact that other Pac schools wouldn’t want those teams in the conference is as good of an argument as any that those are the two best schools to pick.

]]> By: Adam S. http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15531 Adam S. Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:58:18 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15531 OOOOOHHH - C-Stab loves the Big East! OOOOOHHH – C-Stab loves the Big East!

]]> By: Constable Echelon http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15529 Constable Echelon Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:36:14 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15529 Assuming your comment was serious, here are my problems with it: -Both of these schools would need to build football stadiums, and that's before the matter of the teams. USD would need to build a new basketball arena. Gonzaga's arena is borderline Pac-10 acceptable (it would join Maples and McArthur court as the only venues to seat <10,000. -The Big East is an example of everything that is wrong with conference expansion. In hoops they play an 18 game schedule among 16 teams, and fate decides whether you get UConn and Georgetown twice, or DePaul and South Florida. It's more a confederation than a conference. -There's no way the Washington schools would allow another Pac-10 program to materialize in their recruiting backyard. And the Cali schools I'm sure wouldn't be thrilled with an upstart there either. No. Assuming your comment was serious, here are my problems with it:

-Both of these schools would need to build football stadiums, and that’s before the matter of the teams. USD would need to build a new basketball arena. Gonzaga’s arena is borderline Pac-10 acceptable (it would join Maples and McArthur court as the only venues to seat <10,000.

-The Big East is an example of everything that is wrong with conference expansion. In hoops they play an 18 game schedule among 16 teams, and fate decides whether you get UConn and Georgetown twice, or DePaul and South Florida. It’s more a confederation than a conference.

-There’s no way the Washington schools would allow another Pac-10 program to materialize in their recruiting backyard. And the Cali schools I’m sure wouldn’t be thrilled with an upstart there either.

No.

]]> By: BMalo http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15528 BMalo Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:10:35 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15528 The Pac should expand and copy the Big East. It seems it will be several decades before any FB team can compete with SC, so the focus should be on becoming a bigger basketball power. Thus, here are the best options. 1) Gonzaga: High quality, high profile bball program, decent baseball program, and even used to have a FB squad (http://gozags.cstv.com/genrel/020306aaa.html). FB games could be played at ALBI, and with LCHS down the street GU could be a contender in a few decades. 2) University of San Diego: Had a great bball year, and with Billy Grier will only keep improving. FB needs work, but with the plethora of SoCal recruits, it shouldn't be hard to build a solid program in America's Finest City. The Pac should expand and copy the Big East. It seems it will be several decades before any FB team can compete with SC, so the focus should be on becoming a bigger basketball power. Thus, here are the best options.

1) Gonzaga: High quality, high profile bball program, decent baseball program, and even used to have a FB squad (http://gozags.cstv.com/genrel/020306aaa.html). FB games could be played at ALBI, and with LCHS down the street GU could be a contender in a few decades.

2) University of San Diego: Had a great bball year, and with Billy Grier will only keep improving. FB needs work, but with the plethora of SoCal recruits, it shouldn’t be hard to build a solid program in America’s Finest City.

]]> By: The H http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15517 The H Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:04:03 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15517 Hansen was a Husky, don't forget that. Another point in favor of Hansen, (although I know I'll get crapped on for this) he continues to do deals with Fox over ESPN because Fox will go along with keeping games primarily on the weekends (sometimes on Thursdays). This keeps the student-athletes at school during the week. Every other conference sells their kids out and just says they are concerned about the "student" part of the equation. I am for that. Hansen was a Husky, don’t forget that. Another point in favor of Hansen, (although I know I’ll get crapped on for this) he continues to do deals with Fox over ESPN because Fox will go along with keeping games primarily on the weekends (sometimes on Thursdays). This keeps the student-athletes at school during the week. Every other conference sells their kids out and just says they are concerned about the “student” part of the equation. I am for that.

]]> By: Adam S. http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15506 Adam S. Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:37:26 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15506 I think the big thing that's being overlooked with his retirement is that UW loses a very important voice within the conference. Hansen despite his shortcomings has done a good job of keeping the balance of power within the conference. A new commissioner might like to play up the LA schools (since they seem to enjoy success more than we do) or give UO something to shake a stick at because of the Nike angle. On another note, I find Numi brand Moonlight Spice Tea just the thing to get me through the afternoon at work. A lighter white tea, with just a hint of orange. Divine. I think the big thing that’s being overlooked with his retirement is that UW loses a very important voice within the conference. Hansen despite his shortcomings has done a good job of keeping the balance of power within the conference. A new commissioner might like to play up the LA schools (since they seem to enjoy success more than we do) or give UO something to shake a stick at because of the Nike angle.

On another note, I find Numi brand Moonlight Spice Tea just the thing to get me through the afternoon at work. A lighter white tea, with just a hint of orange. Divine.

]]> By: Sager Bombs http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15500 Sager Bombs Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:59:36 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15500 I agree that if the conference just wants to do a nip/tuck and "tighten things up" they'd look immediately to booting WSU and OSU and grabbing Colorado or Utah schools. But what's the precedent on that? Conferences just booting out a couple schools for their own interests screams "long drawn out lawsuit" to me. Colorado and BYU would be the best case scenario for us, and would undeniably strengthen the conference. Putting them both in a Pac 10 "North" with the Oregon and Washington schools would be pretty badass in my opinion. And our football team wouldn't have to make homemade Northwest Championship t-shirts anymore. I agree that if the conference just wants to do a nip/tuck and “tighten things up” they’d look immediately to booting WSU and OSU and grabbing Colorado or Utah schools. But what’s the precedent on that? Conferences just booting out a couple schools for their own interests screams “long drawn out lawsuit” to me.

Colorado and BYU would be the best case scenario for us, and would undeniably strengthen the conference. Putting them both in a Pac 10 “North” with the Oregon and Washington schools would be pretty badass in my opinion. And our football team wouldn’t have to make homemade Northwest Championship t-shirts anymore.

]]> By: Beef http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15499 Beef Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:43:28 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15499 Didn't Colorado turn-down an expansion offer once already from the conference some years back? I'm officially on the record against any proposed expansion (or Romney candidacy), but CU is the only school that even makes sense here (why can't we have a PAC-10/11?) However, I must add that I find BYU an intriguing possibility...if this Mormon thing ever catches on like the kids say its going to - BYU could become the new Notre Dame - or something like that. What about dropping the axe Anne Boleyn-style on OSU and WSU, they'd never see it coming; I'd enjoy exiling these baseborn rural hordes to the Mountain West where they belong; then we pick-up Colorado and BYU - and Bam! - the reputation of the conference is actually improved (I think). Imagine no longer having to put-up with any OSU fans misbegotten sense of pride; also we could still keep the apple cup as a non-conf. game and play it @ Qwest, if not just to satisfy tradition. Didn’t Colorado turn-down an expansion offer once already from the conference some years back? I’m officially on the record against any proposed expansion (or Romney candidacy), but CU is the only school that even makes sense here (why can’t we have a PAC-10/11?) However, I must add that I find BYU an intriguing possibility…if this Mormon thing ever catches on like the kids say its going to – BYU could become the new Notre Dame – or something like that. What about dropping the axe Anne Boleyn-style on OSU and WSU, they’d never see it coming; I’d enjoy exiling these baseborn rural hordes to the Mountain West where they belong; then we pick-up Colorado and BYU – and Bam! – the reputation of the conference is actually improved (I think). Imagine no longer having to put-up with any OSU fans misbegotten sense of pride; also we could still keep the apple cup as a non-conf. game and play it @ Qwest, if not just to satisfy tradition.

]]> By: Hose http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15498 Hose Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:12:59 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15498 Maybe we should go back to the real tradition, and become the Pacific Coast Conference again, with only 8 schools. This would allow for a "PCC Conference Championship" in Football, or, for short, PCCCC. Kinda looks like CCCP backwards. Anyways, this would also allow scheduling of a few extra non-conference basketball games as well. I nominate Oregon State and...it's a tossup for who else. I know it's not gonna happen, but one can dream, right? Maybe we should go back to the real tradition, and become the Pacific Coast Conference again, with only 8 schools. This would allow for a “PCC Conference Championship” in Football, or, for short, PCCCC. Kinda looks like CCCP backwards. Anyways, this would also allow scheduling of a few extra non-conference basketball games as well. I nominate Oregon State and…it’s a tossup for who else. I know it’s not gonna happen, but one can dream, right?

]]> By: Sager Bombs http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15497 Sager Bombs Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:06:00 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15497 Bob Condotta at the Times takes a similar position as you. Debating whether or not it's a good idea is worth of an article all its own. But if there's a chance of more money involved, there tends to be people supporting it. I'm not so sure expansion will ever happen, but you better believe it will be addressed by the conference in the very near future. Bob Condotta at the Times takes a similar position as you. Debating whether or not it’s a good idea is worth of an article all its own. But if there’s a chance of more money involved, there tends to be people supporting it. I’m not so sure expansion will ever happen, but you better believe it will be addressed by the conference in the very near future.

]]> By: Constable Echelon http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/comment-page-1/#comment-15494 Constable Echelon Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:54:10 +0000 http://hotdogandfriends.com/2008/07/09/the-pac-10-commissioner-is-retiring-lets-handicap-expansion-options/#comment-15494 I have never understood the idea of a twelve team "conference". As of now the Pac-10 is a proper conference where every team plays every other team once during the football season and twice during basketball season. Add two teams and all of a sudden we're like every other shitty conference in the country where teams go years in between playing other teams in their own league. Bullshit. For once the west coast will stand up for tradition while everyone else races each other to add teams at a ridiculous rate like the Big East. I have never understood the idea of a twelve team “conference”. As of now the Pac-10 is a proper conference where every team plays every other team once during the football season and twice during basketball season.

Add two teams and all of a sudden we’re like every other shitty conference in the country where teams go years in between playing other teams in their own league. Bullshit. For once the west coast will stand up for tradition while everyone else races each other to add teams at a ridiculous rate like the Big East.

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